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No niente, figurati... Sono sicuro che l'improvvisa inversione a u su Morata sia del tutto scollegata dalla vicenda Suarez, che una mattina si è svegliato con addosso una sensazione di incomplete

avete pensato anche a cosa sarebbe la nazionale dell'impero romano? 

Diego, Diego..... Diego Armando Maradona  che ricordi Padova, 36 anni, 2 mesi e circa 2 settimane fa, dialogo tra me (interista quindicenne) e mio padre (milanista tiepido): "papà, hai v

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Non poteva andarci in quanto non poteva giocare la stessa sera di Roma e Juventus.
 
Continuo a non capire perché lo United dovesse finire obbligatoriamente nell'E o nell'H. Bah. 
Seguito sorteggio da smartphone. Ricordavo solo gruppi facili come il D e l'E... Non avevo situazione complessiva sotto mano.
Comunque il D è ridicolo... Le italiane, tolta la Roma, non esattamente fortunate.
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Girone medio di UCL. Ci sta ampiamente di prendere un Valencia in terza fascia.
La vera notizia è la gioia di riabbracciare Paul allo Stadium. Facciamo 90' di applausi e compriamolo a Gennaio!! ❤️🐙

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Un abbraccio ai napoletani, hanno beccato un girone infernale.

Girone fatto più da nomi e storia che di sostanza quello della juve a mio parere.

All'inter poteva andare peggio partendo dalla quarta fascia.

La roma se non fa cazzate passa non dico in scioltezza ma quasi.

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2 hours ago, nacus said:

Il gruppo D lo fanno giocare al giovedì sera, vero?

Quando vedo un gruppo simile e poi quello del Napoli, mi torna in mente la stagione 2014/15, quando non passammo il girone con 12 punti (record all time) ma passò lo Zenit secondo in un altro girone con 5 o 6 punti. Pazzesco.

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19 settembre Valencia-Juventus ore 21
2 ottobre Juventus-Young Boys ore 18.55
23 ottobre Manchester United-Juventus ore 21
7 novembre Juventus-Manchester United ore 21
27 novembre Juventus-Valencia ore 21
12 dicembre Young Boys-Juventus ore 21

https://it.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2568807.html?iv=true

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Martedì 18/9, ore 18.55 Inter-Tottenham. Segnato in agenda.

Moltissime (se non tutte) le nostre speranze di dare senso e dignità alla nostra avventura Champions dipendono dall'esito di questo primo match: bisogna assolutamente vincere, no way.

Spero che Spalletti ed i ragazzi ne siano consapevoli ed affrontino la partita (in termini di ardore, agonismo e concentrazione) come se fosse una finale secca.

Solo se questo sarà il nostro approccio (magari confidando anche in un pizzico di supponenza e superficialità anglosassone)  avremo concrete possibilità di portare a casa una preziosissima vittoria.

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59 minutes ago, Dedo said:

Martedì 18/9, ore 18.55 Inter-Tottenham. Segnato in agenda.

Moltissime (se non tutte) le nostre speranze di dare senso e dignità alla nostra avventura Champions dipendono dall'esito di questo primo match: bisogna assolutamente vincere, no way.

Spero che Spalletti ed i ragazzi ne siano consapevoli ed affrontino la partita (in termini di ardore, agonismo e concentrazione) come se fosse una finale secca.

Solo se questo sarà il nostro approccio (magari confidando anche in un pizzico di supponenza e superficialità anglosassone)  avremo concrete possibilità di portare a casa una preziosissima vittoria.

Concordo, prima partita di vincere assolutamente.

Girone tosto ma ce la giochiamo con Tottenham e PSV per il secondo posto, paura di nessuno.

Per l’Inter è più facile uscire con Young Boys - Olympiacos e Lokomotiv  che con Tottenham - Barca e PSV :asd

 

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Come detto da Tony l'Inter essendo in quarta fascia era prevedibile che avrebbe avuto un girone complicato. 

Discorso diverso per il Napoli che a mio avviso ha preso le due peggiori squadre disponibili.

Bene quello della Roma molto abbordabile, mentre per la Juve condivido i discorsi che avendo un potenziale super non deve temere nessuno a prescindere, però poteva certamente capitargli  un girone più facile da gestire. Comunque ha preso due squadre dei due campionati più competitivi d'Europa, quindi non proprio il massimo della vita. Esempio lo scorso anno nonostante gli capitò un Barca nettamente superiore all'attuale United o Valencia per me sulla carta quel girone era più agevole, eppure la sua qualificazione non fu proprio delle più semplici.

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1 hour ago, Bistecca said:

Come detto da Tony l'Inter essendo in quarta fascia era prevedibile che avrebbe avuto un girone complicato. 

Discorso diverso per il Napoli che a mio avviso ha preso le due peggiori squadre disponibili.

Bene quello della Roma molto abbordabile, mentre per la Juve condivido i discorsi che avendo un potenziale super non deve temere nessuno a prescindere, però poteva certamente capitargli  un girone più facile da gestire. Comunque ha preso due squadre dei due campionati più competitivi d'Europa, quindi non proprio il massimo della vita. Esempio lo scorso anno nonostante gli capitò un Barca nettamente superiore all'attuale United o Valencia per me sulla carta quel girone era più agevole, eppure la sua qualificazione non fu proprio delle più semplici.

Infatti. La Juventus è da ritenersi la squadra più forte del girone ma la difficoltà di un girone la determina la squadra della terza urna (o della quarta nel caso dell'Inter).

Se sei testa di serie pescare una squadra "complicata" dalla seconda urna è la norma... nella terza il Liverpool era quella da evitare; tolti gli inglesi (perché avevi già pescato lo United in seconda) peggio non ti poteva andare. Detto ciò essere eliminati dal Valencia meriterebbe un trattamento alla Tafazzi. 

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9 hours ago, big bonzo said:

sapete se milan juventus è confermata l'undici novembre di domenica a san siro di posticipo?

se è un posticipo... 

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Beh dai almeno la prima la giochiamo contro la Stella Rossa di Belgrado: considerando che a fine settembre recuperiamo Meret, Ghoulam e Younes, un pizzico di ciorta nel calendario l'abbiamo avuta. 

Certo è che se lo stadio è come il palazzetto di basket, andiamo a giocare in un inferno.

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https://theathletic.com/497519/2018/08/30/the-evolution-of-juventus-under-max-allegri/

After the press conferences and private jets, the €100 million spent and 36 million YouTube views, along comes the tedious reality of an actual soccer season. From a commercial standpoint, Cristiano Ronaldo’s move to Juventus might already be deemed a success. On-pitch analyses will require a little more time and nuance.

Ronaldo did not do a lot wrong in a season-opening 3-2 win over Chievo, but nor did he influence proceedings as dramatically he might have hoped. Deployed as a lone center forward, he put more shots on target than any other player, yet still appeared, at times, as a foreign object in Juventus’ 4-2-3-1. Only after being nudged out to the left wing following the introduction of Mario Mandzukic did he truly hit his stride.

That might be what persuaded Massimiliano Allegri to change his team’s formation to a 4-3-3 for their second game, at home to Lazio. Ronaldo started on the left wing this time, but swapped back and forth with Mandzukic at center forward throughout. Despite this change, the new arrival once again struggled to influence proceedings as he might have hoped—though he still might have scored twice were it not for good goalkeeping by Thomas Strakosha late on.

A slow start shouldn’t surprise us. Ronaldo is adapting to a new team and a new league after nine years in Madrid. Perhaps more crucially: that team is adapting to him. Allegri had only trained Ronaldo for the first time 10 days prior to the Chievo game. The manager will need longer to mould his team in a way that best exploits the Portuguese forward’s talents.

Allegri has earned the right to be trusted with such a task. His four years at Juventus have been characterized by constant evolution, key players arriving and departing every summer, obliging him to remodel on the fly. Only one season—2015-16—has begun and ended with the Bianconeri using the same tactical system.

Curiously enough, that was the campaign in which Juventus made their worst start under Allegri. Through 10 games they had scraped together just 12 points—perhaps unsurprising when you consider that Carlos Tevez, Andrea Pirlo, Arturo Vidal, and Fernando Llorente had all left in the preceding transfer window. Talented replacements were signed, but Paulo Dybala, Alex Sandro, and Mario Mandzukic needed time to bed in.

Juventus had started out with a 3-5-2, only to abandon it after losing their first two games. Allegri reshuffled his pack often through those awkward first three months, yet it was the return to that initial formation from November onward that helped Juventus to embark on a run of 25 wins in 26 games.

Along the way, Gigi Buffon set a new Serie A record by keeping 10 consecutive clean sheets. Allegri’s success was to recognize the value of familiarity. After such a drastic overhaul of personnel in midfield and attack, the easiest part of the team to get right was the defense. Leonardo Bonucci, Andrea Barzagli, and Giorgio Chiellini had won three titles together under Antonio Conte using a back three. Restoring it put them back in a shared comfort zone.

The story had played out in reverse a year previously. Allegri inherited a messy situation at Juventus in 2014, stepping in after Conte resigned on the first day of preseason training. To avoid further upheaval, Allegri retained his predecessor’s formation. Juventus became the first team ever to start a Serie A season by winning five games without conceding a goal.

In the Champions League, though, they struggled. Conte’s Juventus had never got to grips with the European competition, and Allegri’s version appeared to be heading down a familiar path as they lost away to Atlético Madrid and Olympiacos in the group stage.

That was until Allegri switched to an untested 4-3-1-2 for the return game against the Greek champions. The new setup allowed him to make the most of abundant options in midfield, with Paul Pogba and Claudio Marchisio deployed on either side of Pirlo and Vidal pushed forward into something approaching a No. 10 role.

The transition was not perfectly smooth. With less than half an hour to go at home to Olympiacos, Juventus were losing 2-1. A defeat, after such a tactical gamble, could have been the beginning of the end for Allegri in Turin. Instead, his team rallied to win 3-2, launching a run that would carry them all the way to the Champions League final.

They would return to that stage two years later. Juventus had begun 2016-17  with a back three once again, before switching to a 4-2-3-1 in order to fit all three of Dybala, Juan Cuadrado, and Mario Mandzukic in alongside the latest arrivals—Miralem Pjanic and Gonzalo Higuaín. The newspapers were quick to christen this as a “Five Star” Juventus team.

Last season’s shifts were a little trickier to track, due to Allegri’s constant rotation of players. He deployed an unchanged starting XI only once in 38 Serie A games.

From December onwards, though, there was a marked shift away from 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3 whenever Juventus went with four at the back. This time, Allegri was removing a piece from the attack in order to protect Miralem Pjanic—with Sami Khedira and Blaise Matuidi acting as bodyguards to the Bosnian in his role as a deep-lying regista. The Bianconeri bulldozed their way to 95 points in Serie A.

The irony in all of this is that Allegri, despite having launched a tactics appin 2015, is often quick to reject the idea that formations decide football games. Juventus were outplayed by Inter at San Siro in April, only to score twice in the final four minutes and win 3-2. Afterward, Allegri shrugged and reminded his audience that great players decide soccer games.

To illustrate the point, he drew a parallel with basketball.  “They make all these schemes and then, in the end, when the scheme hasn’t worked and you have three seconds to think, who do you give the ball to?” he asked. “The player who is best at one-on-one, so he can try to shoot.”

Allegri had deployed a similar analogy in an interview with La Repubblica four years earlier, illustrating the consistency of his thoughts on this subject. “We can talk for hours about schemes and organization,” he told the newspaper. “But games are won by players. If you have Messi you almost start 2-0 up. It’s the same with Ronaldo.”

That final comment might just come back to haunt him, should the Portuguese struggle in the weeks and months ahead. Yet we should not kid ourselves that Allegri truly believes a manager has no input into what happens on the pitch.

What he objects to, in reality, is rigidity. Soccer games are fluid, evolving contests in which every player must adjust and react on the fly. More than a formation you need the instincts and intelligence to make good decisions in pressured situations. A manager’s role, in Allegri’s view, is to instill a core of shared principles that help guide those split-second decisions.

He argues robustly against any attempt to turn football into a science, with objective laws of right and wrong. To him, it is always “a performance. And performances are put on by artists.”

That line of thought extends to his own role. Allegri confessed in that same conversation with La Repubblica that he is not maniacal in his pursuit of perfection. “I cannot stay for 24 hours a day looking for a solution,” he said. “I have to wait for inspiration to hit me. Most of the time that happens when I’m not thinking about it … The reality is that you live by intuition.”

Allegri’s is better than most. He has reinvented Juventus many times already on the way to four consecutive league-and-cup doubles. Doing so ought only to be easier this time around, with a five-time Ballon d’Or winner on board.

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